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What is the most Dissapointing thing about the manga?

What is the most Dissapointing thing about the manga?

ihate-Everythingx

Your first point, I completely agree with. Your second point is iffy. The 4 of Diamonds was definitely underrated and more riddle-styled Diamond games would’ve been nice, but the royale Diamond games were all great! Diamonds don’t mean solving a riddle, it just means intelligence in general. The intense, attritional nature of the ingenious 6 and King of Diamonds creates tension that would’ve been impossible to create with a riddle, so I kinda disagree with you there. As for your third point, I do wholeheartedly agree with your statement about the drop in creativity, but I still LOVE the Seven and King of Spades. The sheer unfair brutality of it perfectly encapsulates the essences of Spades. I think the reason those games were less creative than the Five of Spades was because they were more character-focused than plot focused. Anyways, here’s my answer to your question: #1. Mildly-Rushed Second Stage It’s quite hard to tell, but if you really start to analyze the second half of the story, it is significantly more fast-paced than the first. I don’t wanna say rushed, because rushed work has a negative connotation to it and the second half of the story is undoubtedly better than the first, but the stories felt a bit convoluted and disconnected, following each character separately and the weird time-hops between the King of Diamonds and Spades. Not to mention, we only got to see 5 good games (I don’t consider Jack of Diamonds a full game). And obviously, quality over quantity is great, those 5 games were all the greatest in the series, and possibly the greatest in the Japanese death-game franchise, but seeing Kuina’s Jack of Spades, Mahiru’s Queen of Clubs, or An’s Queen of Diamonds definitely would’ve improved the choppiness of the latter half of the series. Speaking of An... #2. No Backstory for An She’s not the best character in the series, but was still a great character and had missed potential. Of all the main characters, she’s the ONLY person who never had a flashback sequence. It would’ve fit perfectly had her Queen of Diamonds been shown. #3. Lack of Closure This is the biggest issue for me, by FAR. A lot of people have gripes with the ending, and I’m no exception. It’s not the memory loss trope, it was the way it was executed, and how **frustratingly close it was to being a great ending, had the author have changed a few things**. There’s so much I wanna say, so I’ll try to break it up. First, the Borderlands origins were never properly explained. Neither were all the plot holes, like what if less than 12 survivors remained or accepted citizenship, or if all players were killed but some Face Cards were already cleared. This immediately creates a huge sense of dissatisfaction since it’s been the BIGGEST question since the first chapter of the manga but is never directly answered, leaving readers feeling cheated. Of course, we know that the Borderlands are a place for those with dysphoria experiencing clinical death can get a second chance at life, which can be drawn from assumption, but it would’ve been better had this been said outright by the Joker. And next is the hospital sequence. We got complete closure with Arisu, and we got complete closure with An and Mahiru. That’s it. There was some partial closure for Chishiya, Niragi, and the King of Spades trio, but not nearly enough to be satisfying. Kuina didn’t even get any dialogue. It was conveyed that the survivors kept all their psychological development, cue why Arisu suddenly felt the urge to live life to the fullest and why Chishiya felt the complacency to live a simple honest life. However, it could’ve been done much better by having each character uniquely display this and how they changed. I would’ve shown Usagi talking to Arisu in the courtyard, talking about finally overcoming her father’s death. Kuina happy to see her mother is well, expressing interest in returning to her past, pursing martial arts again, and mending relations with her father. Chishiya and Niragi having a heart to heart about who they were, and possibly even becoming friends. Heiya excited to live through life, finally trying new things, relearning how to live with her injury, and helping Dōdō make up with his friend who came to visit him. Once Aguni recovers, he’ll be devastated to learn about Hatter, and the 2 will approach and ask him what’s wrong, and help him mourn the death of his friend. Maybe, the 731st Day of Reconstitution even could’ve taken place during a remembrance service for the meteor shower, and the interview could’ve featured all the main characters and minor characters too. Had the ending been like this, it would’ve been *perfect*. The ending, while disappointing, is at least redempted by the incredible story. So yeah, those are my main gripes with the series. Still an amazing series, the best I’ve ever seen, but the first and third points hold it back quite a bit.


Hour_Trade_3691

I agree with every word you said. When you said: 'Japonese death game franchise,' what do you mean? The Netflix Alice in Borderland is what inspired me to check out manga in the first place and I found As the Gods Will and Liar Game from there. Any other series you reccomend? :)


ihate-Everythingx

Darwin’s Game is great. Also, in your post you expressed an interest in the riddle games. In that case, you’ll LOVE the ‘Escape Room’ Webtoon— it’s full of extremely clever riddles and puzzles.


Hour_Trade_3691

Awesome- I'll check it out- Thank you!:)


KyoHisagi

Hearts games were my favourites so of course I was extra bummed when I didn't see King of Hearts. It makes sense for there to be The Queen of Hearts though (just like in the "Alice in Wonderland" book there's a Red Queen). Also, I am probably in minority here, but I didn't like 10 of Hears A T A L L. It was stretched as hell and boring (of course, by "Alice" standards it's still so much higher than ordinary arcs in other manga, but still). I've waited for Joker to be the last and the most difficult game, turns out, he was just "the messenger". Oh well. I agree with OP, I wish there were more creative games like those from "Liar Game" or "Friedns Game" instead of "good luck surviving this" but still I am pretty happy how manga turns out overall. This is the incredible piece of media and I couldn't be more happy that it wasn't axed like so many great stories did.


Hour_Trade_3691

I figure the Joker IS kind of a difficult: 'game.' It isn't Just the messanger- The: 'game,' is choosing whether to accept or refuse permanant residency and thinking about what that means. You only arrive in the Borderlands if you are both dissatisfied with your life and then happen to die. The games act as punishment for you being ungrateful. But if you can push through them all and prove yourself as someone worthy of choosing, then that's why the Joker acts as the final boss- Do you accept death? Or refuse it? I personally Really love the insanity idea for the King of Hearts and plan to use it in my fan fiction. What kind of character would design his game so that players must talk him into death? Perhaps he accepted permanent residency- not because he truly wanted to, but because he was too scared that refusing it meant being lasered. He didn't want to make the choice to die, but as a result of that fear, he ended up choosing it by mistake anyway. So he sets up his game the only way he could possibly want to- because at the end of the day- he doesn't want to die because of some fluke- he doesn't want to lose the game. He wants to make sure that at the end of the day, his death will be his Own decision. Ooh- I've started reading Liar Game but I've never heard of Freinds Game- what's that?:)


KyoHisagi

Yes I know Joker Game is "kinda" hard if you look at it this way but I've expected something more, this is the climax of the story, if you will. But oh well, few pages of him is all we've gotten :c Actually thinking about writing my own fanfiction about King of Hearts but I don't think I will do it anytime soon. It's always interesting to read what other people come up with though. This fandom is one of the most creative. Friends Game is yet another "death games" entrance without people actually dying. They bet with their money and debts just like in Liar Game. I personally really enjoy it but the MC is kinda TOO smart. I don't feel there's something to lose for him. Even if he's in difficult situation, I always think "let me guess, it was part of his plan again?", but I must admit he's kinda badass. The games are very entertaining too, remind me a bit of Alice' ones. I highly recommend it. Liar Game, Friends Game and first season of Kaiji.


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Coralo

We saw fairly difficult games but I would have loved to see one of the « easiest » games, for example a 2 of spades (well actually maybe there are but it’s been a while since I read the mangas and I don’t have the books with me to check now). Also I am a little bit frustrated not to have seen all the games of the second part of the game (all the heads, king queen and jack) I think it could have given the author the opportunity to came with great and original games but maybe he couldn’t think of more. And my last (minus) disappointment is the same than the 2nd you listed, I had the feeling that Alice was portrayed as someone with an intelligence superior of others and I would have loved to read other diamonds games to be impressed by his keen and observant mind. I absolutely adore to be flabbergasted and to feel a little bit dumb when I read manga with intelligent characters so it gave me a taste of not enough. Other than that I want to clarify that I absolutely loved the mangas and all of what the author gave us.


Hour_Trade_3691

The netflix adaption gave us those made up games in the montage of episode 5. People have deduced two of them must be the 2 of Clubs and the 2 of Spades since they were both cards needed by the Beach as seen on their massive board. The human elevator game is almost undoubtably the 2 of Spades- sure, it's pretty hard, but I don't think any of these games are going to let you have an easy stroll- they are meant to kill you. This is also further backed up by there being 2 massive spades spray painted at the top of the building. I personally have the idea that Ace games are designed as games that seem unreasonably difficult, but have a simple solution hidden somewhere. If you find the easy way out and use it, you only get 1 more day on your Visa- if you take the hard way out, you get 14. Personally, I feel the very first game in the Netflix adaption should be the Ace of Clubs- Because solving it the way Arisu did, or just going in with blind luck is pretty dang hard. Some people theorize that maybe you just need to open the door but not step inside and Throw something instead to see if it gets lasered. This may be the incredibly easy solution. I once had a dream of the Ace of Spades- You have to swim in a pool with a snorkol that records your breathing- If you take any more than 4 breaths over the course of 4 minutes, you get lasered. If you survive- You clear the game. I can hold my breath for 1 minute- If I take a few breathing exercises beforehand and stay completely still I can do it for 2. But after holding you breath for such a long time- proceeding to take 1 exhale and 1 inhale before proceeding to hold it for such a long time Again is pretty much impossible. Especially when you're swimming in deap water. The answer though is kind of simple- I'm not sure if maybe it's too obvious. There is a shallow end of the pool hidden, and if you find it, you can simply stand there and then just keep the snorkol in your mouth and breath through your Nose with your tongue on the roof of your mouth- hence, the snorkol won't detect any flow of breath.


KyoHisagi

Well the very first game from the manga was considered pretty "easy" (The Festival, 3♣). Also Shibuki mentioned participating in 2 of ♥ (Poisoned Train).