Post Match Thread: Sydney Swans vs Hawthorn
By - RaidanRam
Feel like shit, just want our fast paced corridor game back
I miss The Chad
Apparently Jai Newcombe has been spotted after the game walking the streets of Sydney, just fucking tackling random Sydneysiders.
>Apparently Jai Newcombe has been spotted after the game walking the streets of Sydney, just fucking tackling random Sydneysiders.
Word is just in he has taken down a traffic light and there is nothing but chaos on the roads.
He's tackling the cars at the intersection to keep the traffic flowing properly
His glares at drivers works 50% more efficiently than traffic light sequences.
Bro he just wants a cuddle… Someone give the man a cuddle
Social distancing for Jai Newcombe is 1.5mm.
CHOs hate him
Watch yourself up there Sydney fans, there's an angry kid looking to spoon anything in red and white
i need a hug, I’d take it
Rumour has it Queensland’s Origin team are making contact with him as we speak
Most tackles in a debut game! What a beast!
I am glad someone is tackling the homeless problem in sydney
Heard hes working as a bouncer at the casino tonight
Amarety, amity, amnesty, amaretto and arimty were all good tonight
Don't forget Bell. BT definitely called him Bell at one point when he was describing the Swans forwards. "Buddy in the middle, Papley on the right, ... *silence*... Bell on the left". Then the screen pans 100m back to the contest where Bell actually is and BT says "Bell in at the ball"
Not sure if racist or just dumb.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one, he'd make the same mistake with 2 white players because he's shit at his job
That's the problem, he's cloaked in this cloud of incompetence so you never really know his true motives.
why not both?
Umpires are going to cop a lot of hate on social media tonight
Why the hell would anyone want to be an umpire?
Do not understand why the AFL surfaces free kick counts. All it does is feed the anti umpire bias that exists among many AFL supporters and fans.
Fantasy games count free kicks so even if they did hide it, it wouldn’t be hard to figure out. I do agree with you though, it’s doesn’t help
ive got no idea, and they dont deserve abuse, but the crop we've had for the last few weeks have genuinely been ameteurish. not saying they were biased, just a bit shit.
Umpiring departments have said they've had a lot of difficulty bringing in new umpires. If enough aren't progressing through to the AFL then the league will have a difficult decision on its hands when in 10+ years time there mightn't be enough umpires for all AFL games. The worst, yet perhaps a necessary consequence, would be games delayed or the quality of umpiring worsens due to forced use of state league umps leading to drops in attendances.
I doubt they wouldn't have enough to fill AFL games. Might not have enough for local and state leagues, and the AFL umpires might become entry level positions though. Not a whole lot better.
Grass roots investment into Umpiring is needed, and also current umpires should have their roles be full time and compensated well, otherwise we'll see the quality of Umpiring decline
checking out the Swans facebook page. it's ugly.
>Why the hell would anyone want to be an umpire?
The shit part is that this sort of stuff stops new umpires coming up and we badly need new umps to replace these terrible bunch of clowns
This subreddit is going to melt when the Hawks backline has both Sicily and Frost in it
What is it with Hawthorn defenders where you can't tell if they're blondes or rangas and white line fever?
It just further proves the existence of God.
If you need further proof, my power came back on for the first time in days about an hour before the game tonight.
Clarko is god.
Ah yes, CJ does have that effect
We'll accept it just to bring Richmond down. Hawtron can be like Hydra's Winter soldiers. Kept on a very tight lead and used only as Hydra wants.
Pre-game: how the hell do these Hawks get a Friday night game?
Post-game: how the hell do these umps get a Friday night game?
In all seriousness though well played Hawks, impressive win
Sydneys vfl side is going to get some big inclusions next match
>Hawthorn doesn’t wear vertical stripes
Coincidence? I think not!
You guys should try it
Do we even have one that doesn’t have vertical stripes?
I doubt it
Apparently we do.
According to Footyjumpers.com in the 1982 pre season we wore a black V
Shhhh Kochi is listening.
Better go looking in Eddies attic for it
I just want to say, we were the better team and were much better than we have been.
But if I was a Swans supporter I would be spewing at the umpiring.
It’s definitely conflicting emotions when you were fucked by the umpires but also outplayed.
Need this bye to reduce my blood pressure after tonight.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
You were the better team, 100%
Take my upvote you fair and reasonable fucker
Hawks deserved to win this, but it definitely felt like any opportunities to mount a comeback were stifled by the highly contentious calling. There's some really impressive young talent coming out of the hawks, I suspect with a few more changes to the side it won't be long until they are competing for finals once again.
Well, some of our average players had really good games (Moore, Ceglar, O'Brien) and Mitchell and O'Meara played out their skins. Our midfield actually looked competent today, which it hasn't all year. I'm glad that Wingard was quiet-ish and we didn't need to rely on him.
Ceglar did Hickey's job better than Hickey, he was nuts
Moore is considered average? He’s our leading goal kicker.
Does OMeara have some sort of armour playing?? Literally crashed into a guy and concussed him, and it looked like he didn’t even notice
This is the best I've seen it summed up tonight
Hawks were absolutely the better team and deserved the win. Yes the umpires were poor and maybe helped you guys to two goals but the rest was due to the effort and execution by Hawthorn. I doubt that Horse is blaming the umps, Swans need to look at themselves and get better.
Oh yea, of course, but I do feel bad. If I was a Swans supporter, it would make it hard to swallow the loss because you'd feel like you didn't have a fair crack at it when the game was in the balance in the first half. Especially when you're challenging for top 4 and coming up against a side that most other supporters would expect to beat this year.
"It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And I'm all outta gum"
- Jai 'Duke' Nukem, 2021
there was a game on tonight?
Your username and flair combination is confusing.
Sneaky double agent
Honestly, just get rid of Razor Ray. Man is a serial self-fart sniffer and he was the majority of the problem tonight.
Razor, Stevic, Meredith, Nicholls, Margetts, honestly we just need a cleanout
Do they have replacement though? Isn't part of the reason some of those guys have been going on for so long because no enough new umpires are coming through?
Yeah that's part of the problem, we need a cleanout but there's nobody to replace them
I think the umpiring is to the standard the AFL is run at, and that's just depressing
We don't have full time umpires cause all the current umpires are egotistical, self centered fuckwits who don't wanna become full time and lose their cushy weekday jobs.
Yeah look, gonna go ahead and say Hawthorn should 100% keep Mitchell and O'Meara. No point kicking them out for draft picks when they can still put on performances like that. Jiath was also really fucking good and Newcombe looked amazing on debut.
Hope Sydney can rebound after the bye. Just did not look switched on at any point tonight.
Don't think O'Meara was ever on the table, has been asbolutely elite this year and has looked a genuine level above the rest of Hawthorn (whenever he's out we look 100x worse, in our two worst losses against Saints and GC, he was missing). Mitchell finally back to his best was great to see and it did seem like had a point to prove, especially early.
The only reason to move on Mitchell or O’Meara would be if the club thinks they’re stunting Worpel’s growth significantly. Worpel was incredible in place of Mitchell when he broke his leg and has looked directionless since his return.
They look like they hit the pub fucking hard Thursday night. I know we're having a 'mare season, but boys, after the game!
Just a fucking terrible all round performance by the boys tonight. Poor with the ball, non existent pressure, zero contested effort, zero defensive effort.
Absolutely fucking woeful.
At leaat I traded Duke into my fantasy team this week.
Looked a bit like we just expected to win, no real effort in the first half especially. Hawks just moved the ball into f50 way to easy
I'm not the type to point fingers, but I'm putting this result solely on Lewis Taylor being on the field
This man really beat Bont in the rising star award
He used to be such a gun at the Lions, what’s happened?
He was never that good, racked up cheap stats but always allergic to tough football.
There’s a reason he was always a fringe player at Brisbane and now at Sydney.
He has some skills, doesn’t use them enough.
I feel like it's a confidence thing. Not enough? Too much? Dunno but he's constantly making shit decisions, which isn't great if you're short and not very agile
I've heard from a friend who plays at Southport that he's an egotistical asshole. Constantly yelling at his teammates and talking shit about them when they do things wrong, we actually saw a glimpse of that when he was calling for Amartey to kick it to him
Lewis Taylor was never a gun. He had one half decent season, absolutely robbed Bont of the rising star, and has done fuck all ever since.
I'm not sure he was after his first season tbf
Hardwick Frost Impey
Day Scrimshaw Jaith
That is one fast back 6
Where will Sicily get in
Impey, Scrim or Day moves to a wing.. Or Sicily plays forward!
Sicily taking shots from 50 is so glorious to see
>Where will Sicily get in
Hawks have been through [this](https://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/funny-that-20051127-ge1bke.html) before hey.
Who do you drop for Sicily?
Or anyone really, he’s our best player when he’s on. Day/Impey probably go to a wing.
DGB is the one that might come in at some point too, if he’s fit he’ll get a run this year.
Every time we have a shit game before the bye I'm reminded of the Port Adelaide v The Bye video and it gives me hope that at least we aren't that shit.
Dude we play them next wtf are you doing
Just riling up the Bye fans, nothing too serious
JB gets the correct pronunciation 5 mins later says the name wrong again trying to pronounce it right
Collingwood had 1 goal to three quarter time against Geelong and still put up the same score as Sydney at home against Hawthorn
What a proud day for Collingwood.
Spot on, it’s definitely less embarrassing for us now
Worst performance since the 2018 EF. Credit to Hawthorn, they completely nullified our attacking options and made us look impotent as fuck, but yeah that was shit. Bye can't come soon enough though.
Hawthorn deserved that. We were awful & the umpires were even worse, but Hawthorn deserved that. Rest up boys & fire up the second half of the season
Jaith not impressed with the name chat
I know swans got fucked by the umpires but fuck me this is the first game this year we played good constant footy in all 4QT. Pressure, goal kicking and ball movement great. Swans applied the pressure hard in the 3rd but we managed to hold and we held the hold QT.
Forget who said it in the match thread but it was something like “umpires are robbing hawks of a great win tonight”. Too true. Could have been a thriller, instead we got… that.
Yeah you guys deserved it 100%. Although the umpiring was pretty terrible, you guys outplayed us fair and square.
The Swans were defs off tonight... For a side that can threaten the top 4 to look like that was bad...
But the umpiring had to be the most useless crap I've seen in ages. Swans were on the receiving end to and that might have kept them out of it... certainly took the wind out of 'em. Time to put Ray Chamberlain out to pasture, his shit was fucking cooked tonight.
Its a young side that hasn't found its ability to be consistent yet, we still play either above or below our best, and sometimes both. In the past you could tell you were in for a pretty typical game with the old McVeigh and co crew, they'd tackle hard, grind out wins, etc. This team is still finding its identity, hasn't quite figured out how to work against presses and is about half a step, pass or kick away from that consistency. I would hedge that they're also getting tired and the early season form is going to be harder to implement with the younger bodies. Still, good learning experience and onto the next game
It's probably a good loss this point in the season, especially before the bye. Good for the young talent to learn to take a loss, but boy oh boy do those young men have some *talent*. I think they're playing the right brand of pressure footy, but just need the momentum and confidence to keep it going for a full game, which is hard (and harder when you're getting nothing from the umps.)
Honestly, I think they'll get up over Port after the bye (I think they're a little overrated, especially under pressure.) This one is just a blip on the radar.
Yeah and I think as passionate as Horse is during the game, he's a great mentor off it and can look at this with a calm head. We'll hopefully get a few players back for our structure that will give us a team that resembled the first four rounds.
End of the day, it's up to the players to perform and we didn't, so look forward to the next game!
Maybe Collingwood and North should take note and also ditch the stripes
Alright so changes for the second half of the season are:
- Quarantine in the week leading up to every game
- Play Adelaide
- Rotate the stripes 90 degrees
But Geelong lost to Adelaide in round 1...
Damn can’t believe there’s a flaw in this plan
Newcombe the future and will day was beautiful !
Aren't we all so glad one of the game officials is a recognisable personality that's taking part in the Big Freeze like some kind of celebrity.
I'm just glad that papley gave him an honest appraisal of his efforts. Razor was particularly abysmal today
Link? Missed the game fortunately.
Razor a bit blunt tonight
Glad to see the age old rivalry of umps vs commentators reignited
I was thinking more a battle of who's more crap, but yeah that aswell
Bono my tips are gone
You and I need to write a strongly worded letter to Hawthorn for robbing us. I'll start.
*Dearest Alice Stair Clark's son. Yor teem winning robd me off'v my corect tip*
Get in there Clarko
What other sport in the world is continuously destroyed by poor umpiring/refereeing? (Not talking about corruption in sport, just lack of officiating talent). Poor viewing to what would otherwise be a good game.
Flags being thrown randomly in the NFL is bloody annoying
Some of the "unnecessary roughness" calls last season were completely random.
at least u can review some shit i nthe nfl...
Can I introduce you to VAR in the Premier League
Can I introduce you to VAR in the A-League?
I love this comment so much because I've seen it on post match threads in about 5 different sports subreddits
NBA officials and 2002 Western Conference Finals, 2006 NBA Finals, 2009 and 2010 NBA Finals all come to mind.
Some of those were genuinely fixed no?
2002 got called out by a crooked referee who went to prison. American Consumer Advocate said Game 6 was the worst officiated game they had ever seen.
Mark Cuban got a private investigator to look at 2006 Finals and PI said if he was to sue NBA over it, he would win.
NBA had a private meeting with Cuban and he went hush hush about it.
Video below sums it up.
Yeah pretty much all of them eh
Swans strategy to not have a five goal lead didn’t end up working
If they stay healthy, Hawthorn will have key backs of Sicily, Day and DGB for 6 plus years. Scary good.
Yep and add in CJ, Hardwick and Impey. Good set up
How could I forget Birch 2.0
I know the umpiring wasn’t great but it’s not the reason Swans lost. Can’t blame the umpires when you lose by 38 and don’t beat your opponents half time score. Richmond fans were heavily downvoted after losing to Brisbane for complaining about the free kick differential and were told to stop whinging and take the loss
Yes Swans were thoroughly outplayed. That doesn't mean that the umpiring wasn't woeful.
I don't think anyone thinks that we should've won, played one of the worst games I've watched this season. But I think we have a licence to be a bit confused about umpiring. Definitely didn't deserve to win tho, hawthorn wanted it more
r/AFL can be unbearable sometimes. That match thread got insanely toxic. Y'all need to calm down.
Just relax, We don’t talk to one another like that. It’s ok.
We don’t talk to each other like that.
Swans were insipid all evening but fuck me it looked like Razor loaded up on the hawks before the game
CJ nice and composed and does well with the press.
Getting them to repeat it was a nice touch.
duke for rising star 100%
Take out his nervous kicking, and the fact I think he could be too old, he’d be a cert.
i think hes only 19 so hes fine in that regard
Got the face of a tough looking 27 year old.
Basically Silk's dad at that age.
Is he? For some reason I thought he was 22. Good game, but I don’t think enough for a rising star nod. Kicking wasn’t great, but understanding for game 1.
Built incredibly well for a 19/20 year old tbf.
From some angles it looks like it'll be his kid being nominated next week.
The difference a day can make
Bombing the ball to 3v1s doesn't work. We know this from 2017-2020. Stop it.
Razor Ray. Papley complains about a iffy htb call. Razor yells at him to "move on". Papley chirps back, Razor pays 3 frees in a row then "misses" an obvious deliberate. Ray just don't talk back to the players and they won't talk back to you. Shut up and umpire.
Only thing worse than the umpiring tonight was the commentary. . BT asking the same question 3 times and Hodgey and Duck having to repeat themselves.
Amarety, amity, amnesty, amaretto and arimty were all good tonight. JB just do some basic research you twat
Don't talk to the umpire and they won't talk back to you
I’m calling it now! Hawthorn 2021 premiers!!!
>I’m calling it now! Hawthorn 2021 premiers!!!
You have heard of the May Premiership, but now we can introduce you to the new and improved:
#11th of June Premiership.
That mark from Jager gives me goosebumps
If the Swans decide to speak out about the quality of umpiring in our matches the past few rounds, I'll happily put in money for the fine. It's been horrifying to watch and incredibly inconsistent.
AFL probably stoked that Razor Ray is the most trending topic from the game.
I lost my 14 game tipping streak because of this match.
If you're harder at the footy you can win games, who knew? We should try this more going forward.
As the team 17th on the free kick differential ladder (although this might give us a boost up), we can sympathise with how terrible the umpires were tonight. Week after week we've lost free kicks, normally by a lot, tonight we finally got some luck. But, abusing the umpires doesn't do anything to help, if anything, makes it worse. They were just out hungered.
What a wild game of football that was
Josh Morris looks like bad captain america
We were fucking awful, Hawthorn outplayed us from start to finish, Newcombe will tackle a grizzly bear before sunrise just cause, BT is atrocious & Razor Ray can get in the sea cause we got utterly hosed by the whistle boys tonight. That said we sucked and Hawthorn bitchslapped us. We need the bye week big time.
Disappointing. I’m not going to harp on about the umpiring here, everyone has already said what is worth saying, and Hawthorn were clearly the better team. I just have to say, the boys looked cooked. They were far and away from the swans we saw at the beginning of the year and I think the bye couldn’t come at a better time. They looked so slow and tired, hopefully the week off and the addition of Chad and Errol (and Braeden not long after) will bulk up our skills.
Sydney got a rough rub with the umpires.
Nothing too egregious just consitent 50/50 60/40 going against them all night.
Hawthorn looked good though, I really enjoyed the pressure and having CJ back makes us look a different team.
Hawks deserved to win, and all the media will be about how good they were, but if the roles were reversed you'd have people demanding a fucking national inquiry into that umpiring performance.
why would neutrals in the media be more outraged about the swans getting the rub of the green against the hawks than they would be if the hawks got the rub of the green against the swans?
Oh I didn't mean specifically Sydney or Hawthorn, my point was more that if that umpiring performance was served up against any big Victorian club it would actually gain traction in the media and have column inches devoted to how bad it was, instead it'll just be "oh well they were poor but Sydney were poor too so it's fine".
Swans fans who live in Sydney have a real Victorian shaped chip on their shoulder for some reason.
i see. if it is because hawthorn are victorian, an out of state team getting done over by the umpires against victorian opposition didnt stop there being a national outcry after that brisbane/geelong game earlier in the year
That was one very bad game shaping decision. I think IrateWizard sort of has a point. The Victorian AFL media doubles as the national media to some extent and it inevitably focusses on everything to do with the big vic clubs more, so it’s also going to spend more time talking about them getting a bad run with umps during a game.
If you don’t believe that’s true, try listening to the Age RealFooty podcast - 90% of the episodes are about which big Vic club is in crisis. It’s a Victorian paper so of course that’s normal, but it does also double as the national media to some extent.
Good to see Hawks nick a win here and there. Good signs. Sydney are always going to have these games as a young team.
Lol at Sydney. This will definitely not come back to bite me next Sunday.
Nah, I think the Dons will come out angry and belt us to make up for Round 1.
We'll see! Honestly I do expect us to win, but there's still a pretty big part of me that has been trained to fear the worst.
Forget tonight’s game, when will umpiring ever get sorted? Every week a few teams get absolutely fucked by the umps, it’s ruining footy and the AFL are too stupid to see.
It's time to transition to full time professional umpires.
Poos and wees surprised me
You should see a doctor.
I'm fucking over umpires ruining this sport. And before you guys bury me yes Hawthorn were the better team and deserved to win but fuck me
putth up the posgame thread max i need to fucking vent
I'd tell you to do it yourself but you've clearly been on the bevs lol
Can’t blame him, I was down a 6 pack by the third quarter. I definitely needed a few more lmao
I swear if we keep getting shit officiating in our games I'm gonna eventually start drinking
Sick of hearing the crying about umpiring.
It is atrocious every fucking game, it Favor's one side one week, then against them the next.
Just accept it and move on.
Sydney should of played better, they were shit. Hawks pressure this game is probably the highest I have ever seen it since Clarko joined us. That is why we won.
Let's hope we don't go back to the chip around, low pressure, precision skills bull shit.
I think we're safe from getting the spoon now. Fuck yeah, the spoonless streak continues.
Being shit but not memeworthy is the sweet spot
anyone have a gif of horse going 😮😧🤭
(was after some 'deliberate' decision that didnt go their way q3 iirc)
Gimme a sec