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UPDATE: Rogue One Editors Reveal the Details on the Rogue One Reshoots

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Rogue One’s editors recently revealed details on the Rogue One reshoots, including what scenes were reshoots.

During the summer last year, reports began to surface that there had been a series of ‘extensive’ Rogue One reshoots. Which led, of course, to a lot of speculation about whether the movie was in trouble. Now that Rogue One has enjoyed three consecutive weeks in the #1 spot at the box office (carving out an amazing $439 million domestically and $361 Internationally for a $800 million total so far), and has received large-scale acceptance from fans and critics alike (with a very respectable 85% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) it appears that, to quote a certain smuggler, Rogue One is doing ‘fine, we’re all fine here now, thank you.’  today,

However, for the curious, earlier today Yahoo! Movies posted an interview with John Gilroy (younger brother to Tony Gilroy, who helped with some scripting and directing duties on the reshoot) and Colin Goudie, two of the three editors for Rogue One (the other being Jabez Olssen), in which they revealed some interesting details about the movie, including what scenes were a product of the reshoots. Gilroy notes that Goudie and Olssen were on the project from the start and that he was brought on by Lucasfilm at the beginning of the summer.

The Ripped Story Reel Version of Rogue One

The interview then reveals that one of the first editing tasks was for Goudie to create a ‘ripped’ story reel version of the movie for Edwards. Goudie describes the fascinating process like this:

There was no screenplay, there was just a story breakdown at that point, scene by scene. He got me to rip hundreds of movies and basically make ‘Rogue One’ using other films so that they could work out how much dialogue they actually needed in the film.

Goudie added some details regarding some of the other film footage they used outside the Star Wars universe, saying that for the vault break-in sequence “I was ripping the big door closing in ‘Wargames’ to work out how long does a vault door take to close” while for Jyn’s interrogation at the beginning of the movie, “I used the scene where Ripley gets interrogated in ‘Aliens’.

The interview, which is definitely worth a read-through, contains some other fascinating details on the editing process for the movie. But, I know, I know, what about those Rogue One reshoots?

More Details on the Rogue One Reshoots

Were Reshoots Always Part of the Plan?

According to Goudie, yes. He says that “…everything was always scheduled from day one for there to be pickups like on every film.

What Scenes Were Part of the Reshoots?

According to Gilroy, Cassian’s introduction with the spy, Bodhi’s travels on his way to see Rebel extremist Saw, and Jyn Erso’s set up in prison and escape from the prison transport in the beginning, were all part of the reshoots. And though he doesn’t go into specifics, Gilroy also discussed how the editing and reshoots affected the third act:

It changed quite a bit. The third act has a lot going on. You have like seven different action venues, the mechanics of the act changed quite a bit in terms of the characters, and I don’t want to go into too much detail about what had been there before, but it was different.

We moved some of the things that our heroes did, they were different in the original then they were as it was conceived.

What’s This About Using Original Star Wars Footage in Rogue One?

When asked about whether it was difficult to blend original and reshoot footage, Goudie and Gilroy revealed a fascinating detail: they incorporated actual unused footage from Star Wars: A New Hope. As Goudie puts it:

You talk about trying to make things match from the original shoot and the pickup shoot done a couple of months later: that’s nothing. We were matching a film that had been shot 40 years earlier.

Gilroy clarified a little further what original footage they were using:

In the star battle, we see Red Leader and Gold Leader. They had these dailies, and they thought it would be a really great idea if we could work it in. So we’re going through the dailies from 40 years ago, picking up pieces that were not used in the original, and then working them into scenarios in the air battle.

Gilroy also revealed that Angus MacInnes, who plays Gold Leader in the original movie, is still alive, so they brought him in to record some new dialogue to dub in over the footage.

Were There Any Scenes That Got Cut That They Were Sad to See Go?

For Gilroy, the answer is no. Goudie’s answer was similar, though he elaborated a little more.

There’s a handful that if people see them they’ll be like ‘oh that’s interesting’, but I don’t think there’s anything whereby you’d be like ‘why did they cut that out?’

Final Thoughts

So, there you have it. All in all, the interview provides a fascinating look at the editing process for what will likely end up being the smash hit of 2016. Oh, and when asked if a longer, or extended cut of Rogue One existed, Goudie said, “There’s no mythical four-hour cut, it doesn’t exist,” adding that he remembers the first assembly being about 10 minutes longer than the final run time.

Original Post 6-18-16: What Exactly Is Going On With the Rogue One Reshoots?

You may have heard that some Rogue One reshoots are happening, though depending on where you go, they’re either “massive, world-ending reshoots, and the movie is doomed,” or “there’s nothing to worry about, and it’s just business as usual.” So, which is it?  Well, let’s start at the beginning and see if we can’t shed some light on that question.

About a week or so ago, news started to surface that there were Rogue One reshoots, and the rumor mills kicked into high gear. Then on June 2nd, fan site Making Star Wars claimed, among other things, that roughly 40% of the film was being re-shot, and Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation writer and director Christopher McQuarrie (who reportedly provided some contributions to an earlier draft of the script) had produced an extensively re-written draft of the film and would be co-directing the reshoots with Rogue One director Gareth Edwards.

Shortly after these rumors hit the internet, McQuarrie himself took to Twitter to respond:

After this, SlashFilm reached out to McQuarrie for clarification, and he had the following to say:

“If there are any reshoots on Rogue One, I’m not supervising them. For any outlet to say so is not only wrong, it’s irresponsible. Gareth Edwards is a talented filmmaker who deserves the benefit of the doubt. Making a film – let alone a Star Wars chapter – is hard enough without the internet trying to deliberately downgrade one’s years of hard work. Who does that even serve? Let him make his movie in peace.”

At the same time, Entertainment Weekly decided to respond to rumors with their own piece, based around information from what they are calling “deeply placed sources” on the film itself and at LucasFilm.

To start, they say that the reshoots were scheduled before any of the film was even shot, pointing out that it’s not standard practice for blockbuster films to build in re-shooting time so the filmmakers have time to adjust as they assemble the movie. The Rogue One reshoots will take about four to five weeks, and are expected to wrap in Mid-July. They were originally planned for spring but were bumped back to give Edwards and his creative team more time to dial in what they wanted to adjust. One of EW’s source’s had this to say, “The changes have everything to do with clarity and character development and all take place [as inserts] within scenes we’ve already shot.

According to EW, the current timeline is to lock the picture in August and start scoring in September, which would actually put it ahead of The Force Awakens timeline, which itself went through summer reshoots before locking the picture in October. OK, so this is all making the reshoots sound neither extensive or epic.

In fact, in response to the 40% figures, one of the EW sources had this to say: “If we were rewriting the movie and reshooting 40 percent of the movie, we would not be finishing in August. People really would be panicking – and changing the release date.” And though some may interpret that as putting a good face on the reshoots, it does make sense.

EW’s also revealed that Edwards did have a new collaborator on the project, writer / director Tony Gilroy (The Bourne Series, Michael Clayton). The sources say he was brought onboard Rogue One to offer notes on a rough cut of the film, work on some new material for it. The source also said that Gilroy provided a similar service for Edwards on Godzilla and that in addition to writing, Gilroy would be assisting Edwards during the reshoots as a second unit director.

Finally, EW claimed that the fears the movie is being watered down are unfounded and that rumors that Disney execs were forcing the changes after holding test screening is a steaming pile of bantha poo-doo. According to their source, “The movie is very different than [The Force Awakens], and that’s intentional. It’s a war film.” The source went on to say there were no test screenings, and it’s unlikely Disney will ever hold test screening for a Star Wars film. “This is a normal part of our filmmaking process,” said EW’s Lucasfilm source. “We’re working and tweaking and making sure it’s right. This is how you build something in layers.

However, in response to the more optimistic tone of EW’s piece, Latino Review just put up their own follow-up yesterday to serve as a counter-point, saying they were in contact with “a reliable source of ours, who works at the very Pinewood Studios stages where these reshoots are taking place, to see if they could separate facts from spin.

Their source had this to say, “I’ve just asked my mate who has been doing work on Rogue One, and that rumor about them reshooting almost half of the movie is true, apparently.

Which Latino Review says is not par for the course or standard in any way, and it suggests that Disney and LucasFilms are looking for some major changes.

So, what do you think? Are the Rogue One reshoots cause for worry, and is Disney calling for a vote of no confidence in Rogue One? Or is there probably way more going on than we understand, there’s no real way we can know what it means, and what all is involved, the movie will probably be fine, and we should just wait until December and then respond to the finished film?

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1 Response

  1. Phil

    Ive been following Latino Review for a while and most of what they report needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Their street Cred as it where has a lot to be desired. Rumor mill can often serve for entertainment food for thought but mostly bad fiction.

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